IN THE LEDGE – ‘Tell drivers how much ICBC boondoggle is going to cost them’

Todd Stone sparrs with Opposition critics in Legislature this week.

Todd Stone sparrs with Opposition critics in Legislature this week.

Excerpts from an exchange between Minister of Transportation and Infrastructure Todd Stone and NDP leader John Horgan and former leader Adrian Dix during Question Period, Wednesday, Feb. 22, 2017.

J. Horgan: In 2012, before the last election, the government knew it had big, big problems at ICBC. So the Premier did a quick review, asking Liberals to tell Liberals what Liberals wanted to hear. After that, the Premier said: “No worries. We’ve got it under control.” Then we had an election, and after the election, ICBC rates went up 30 percent for basic auto insurance.

Now it looks like we have problems again at ICBC. In 2015, when the Minister of Finance tabled his budget, ICBC was projected to have net revenues of $678 million over a three-year period. Unfortunately, in the document tabled yesterday by the Minister of Finance, those surpluses are now a deficit to the tune of $833 million.

My question is to the Minister of Transportation. Is he going to tell the drivers of British Columbia how much they’re going to have to pay for his bad choices?

Hon. T. Stone: Our government has made very clear to ICBC that their number one priority is to do everything they possibly can to keep rates as affordable as possible for British Columbians.

This is why we directed BCUC to approve an increase no greater than 4.9 percent, which took place earlier this year. This is also why we have launched a wide range of initiatives with ICBC to apply as much downward pressure on costs and rates as we possibly can. This is why we directed the ICBC board to commission an independent third-party review to look at all facets of ICBC and their operations and how they do what they do to ensure that they are employing every strategy, every initiative possible to drive costs down and, for the long term, to protect the ratepayer.

Madame Speaker: Leader of the Official Opposition on a supplemental.

J. Horgan: For the uninitiated, they might not be aware that the minister who just took his seat was responsible for ICBC over the past three years, and instead of returning $600 million to the treasury, they’re in the hole $800 million. When you add it all up, it’s a $1.5 billion blunder…

The drivers of British Columbia want the truth this time. Will the minister have the jam to stand up and tell people just how much his boondoggle is going to cost the drivers of British Columbia?

Hon. T. Stone: Well, if you want to talk about boondoggles, let’s talk about the boondoggle of the 1990s, when insurance rates went up 34 percent.…

There is no question that the pressures on ICBC and its costs are enormous…. That’s why we are moving forward on a number of fronts, including this independent third-party review….

J. Horgan: I appreciate accountability is not something that the B.C. Liberals take seriously…. The solution from the B.C. Liberals: blame drivers; blame British Columbians…

I’m asking the member for Kamloops–South Thompson to be a trendsetter on that side of the House: stand up, be responsible before an election campaign, and tell drivers how much your incompetence, your bad choices, are going to cost them….

Hon. T. Stone: The only members that we hear from that actually support tax increases are the members that sit opposite. We heard it again from the member for Victoria–Swan Lake.

The government just delivered a budget that provided British Columbians with $1 billion of tax relief.


Madame Speaker: Members.

Please continue.

Hon. T. Stone: I am proud to be part of a government that just tabled a budget that will provide British Columbians with $1 billion of tax relief.

… We are doing and will continue to do everything we can, with ICBC, whether it’s cracking down on fraud, whether it’s distracted-driving penalties, whether it’s hiring more claims staff, whether it’s the transformation upgrades that we’re making — a wide array of initiatives to keep rates down for British Columbia’s drivers.

A. Dix: …This was the government that took $1.2 billion meant to pay claims out of ICBC, the first government in the history of B.C. to do it, and that’s the minister responsible for that.

They stood up in 2015, that Finance Minister and that minister, and they said ICBC — all the same factors were in place — was going to make $210 million. They lost $293 million. That’s a $503 million mistake that drivers will pay for.

Not to be outdone, the minister stepped it up the next year. He said: “We’re going to make $231 million.” They lost $396 million. That’s a $627 million mistake.

Now in their budget, tabled yesterday, they’re claiming $280 million in savings from a review that hasn’t even started yet.

They aren’t watching what’s going on; they’re not witnesses to rising insurance costs. They’re driving the car. When will the minister finally take responsibility for those bad choices that B.C. drivers are going to have to pay for?

Hon. T. Stone: Look, the choices that this government has made have resulted in a fifth consecutive balanced budget. The choices that this government has made have resulted in amongst the lowest personal, corporate and small business tax rates in the country. And the choices that this government has made have been to invest strategically in infrastructure in every corner of our province, including a record level of infrastructure on our highways — which is mostly about road safety.

We are going to continue to apply everything that we possibly can towards the pressures that are very real and that the member for Vancouver-Kingsway doesn’t want to talk about….

Madame Speaker: The member for Vancouver-Kingsway on a supplemental.

A. Dix: Well, the same charade took place before the last election. They were “protecting drivers” — that was what they said — and then they soaked drivers. They did a review before the last election. And we’ve heard this before, even this session: “We accept all the recommendations” from this Liberal review. “We accept them all. We’re taking action.”

….British Columbians can’t afford this minister, and they can’t afford this Premier. His $1.5 million blunder is $1,000 a family….

Hon. T. Stone: What British Columbians cannot afford is the reckless spending and the increased taxes that the opposition represents. The member from Kingsway stands up every opportunity he gets, and he talks about all these hundreds of millions of dollars which were scooped out of ICBC, as if they went off into some never-never land. These dollars went into critical health and education programs for British Columbians. So I’d be interested to know: which health programs and which education programs would the members opposite say we shouldn’t have invested in with those dollars?


Madame Speaker: Members. Members.

Please continue.

Hon. T. Stone: Which programs would the members opposite not have supported with those dollars? The member from Kingsway knows that these dollars are generated on the optional side of the insurance business, and that excess capital has been used to fund critical education and health programs.

He also knows that during that same period of time, $1.4 billion was transferred from the optional side of the auto insurance to the basic side to help keep rates as low as possible.


Madame Speaker: Please continue, quickly.

Hon. T. Stone: Well, I know that the members opposite have been flirting with alternative facts for quite some time now. They just make it up as they go.

Yesterday, British Columbians were provided $1 billion of tax relief. We’re going to continue to work as hard as we possibly can to also keep ICBC rates affordable for the long term.

Source: B.C. Hansard.

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5 Comments on IN THE LEDGE – ‘Tell drivers how much ICBC boondoggle is going to cost them’

  1. 1 Billion dollar tax break…is that the removal of the temporary tax on the top 2%? ICBC is drowning, yet they soak out hundreds of millions to put towards a ballanced budget that is simply smoke and mirrors. Burying our publicly owned corporations in debt so their books look good, which in turn adds secret untold tax hikes making our corporations the bad guys, all in hopes of selling them off to their donors…the privatization of BC Hydro, ICBC and even our hospitals is coming. All of these P3 projects remove good paying jobs and replace them with private minimum wage jobs. No wonder the gap is widening and the number living in poverty is climbing. Its time for change, Christy, Todd and the liberals must go! Be sure to vote come May 9!

  2. One way or another the Liberals,especially under the best female BSer I,ve experianced,that smiling phenonema with all those expensive cloths,the one.the only Christie Clarke have to go..I heard Todd Stone this morning talking on Bridge tolls and how he would have to consult his constituents. Jeez! Toll all of them,but at a reasonable cost..People,especially daily commuters are driving way out of their way to use a freebie.The tolls should never have been removed from the Coque and I use it fairly regularly and never begrudged spending the 20 bucks.Pulling them off was a political pre election ploy and now our many moneyed friends from that haven of retirement,the sunny Okanogan along with a billion or so it seems,crazy behind the wheel,Albertans use it for nothing.
    Come on Mel.We need a premier.

  3. I agree Cara. This is a government that never had a vision to begin with, unless you call enriching your friends that.

  4. Todd Stone, you are so full of it. Typical electioneering!

  5. It sounds like they should have paid down debt instead of pretending our province can afford all the give always, promises and perks that we have been witnessing recently. Hiding debt all over the place and splashing money around right before an election is so cliche. No wonder some of us are cynical.

    But I do hope that the opposition actually educates the public about what this government has actually done to the debt, to health care, to iCBC and to Hydro. The public doesn’t really know.

    And the Libs will try to point the finger anywhere but at themselves, but they’ve had a long time to fix things and they’ve just been getting worse under Christy Clark, regardless of all the irresponsible preelection spending the last few months.

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