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ROTHENBURGER – A fly in the ointment of the alternative approval process

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WHEN COLEY ECKER went to City Hall yesterday (Sept. 16, 2024), she was hoping for some reassurance about the thousands of AAP forms she and the Kamloops AAP Vote Group had turned in last Friday.

Those are the forms in which electors could indicate their objection to borrowing bylaws for the performing arts theatre and sports multiplex.

Specifically, Ecker was worried that forms that don’t include the postal code of the elector will be disqualified. She’d heard about that possibility when the forms were taken to City Hall on Friday and wanted to find out for sure.

Corporate officer Maria Mazzotta didn’t have any good news. Yes, she said, forms lacking postal codes will be considered invalid because they’re used to confirm that someone lives in the city, and because the City’s tabulation system is set up for them.

Mazzotta did say the staff tasked with validating the forms are being very careful to make certain that none is being discarded unless absolutely necessary.

After several minutes of respectful conversation, Ecker left disappointed. She’s not sure if she should appeal the postal code issue to the BC Ombudsperson.

Ecker, who already has an appeal pending on other issues relating to what she contends are “legislative errors” on the electoral response forms and public notices, estimates that as many as one in 20 of the several thousand forms she returned don’t include a postal code. That could make the difference between rejection and approval of either of the two borrowing bylaws under consideration.

While Mazzotta said yesterday her initial impression is that there are very few returned forms that lack postal codes, Ecker says she received many from residents she had to remind to add the code.

Whether the City provided adequate notice of the need for postal codes is a matter of opinion. Ecker says the form was unclear on whether it would be rejected if the postal code of the signatory wasn’t included. However, the City’s website did clearly state that a missing postal code would invalidate a person’s form. It said the field for residential address must include “the house number, street name, and postal code and must be printed legibly.” It gave as an example of an unacceptable address format: “7 Victoria Street West – address must include a postal code.”

Ecker makes the argument that “City Hall could easily determine whether the form was signed by an eligible elector without having the postal code.” The Municipal Affairs Ministry’s guide to AAPs doesn’t state that postal codes must be included in the addresses but Mazzotta says details of information required on the form are at the discretion of the municipality.

So it seems the only resolution would be for Ecker to appeal to the Ombudsperson, or for council to remove the postal code requirement should it make a difference in the outcome. Something council is highly unlikely to do.

By the way, Mazzotta also mentioned that the results may be available by Monday rather than waiting for a report at Tuesday’s council meeting. The report will include how many forms were rejected. A lot of people will be waiting nervously to see those numbers.

Mel Rothenburger is a former regular contributor to CFJC-TV and CBC radio, publishes the ArmchairMayor.ca opinion website, and is a recipient of the Jack Webster Foundation Lifetime Achievement Award, and a Webster Foundation Commentator of the Year finalist. He has served as mayor of Kamloops, school board chair and TNRD director, and is a retired daily newspaper editor.  He can be reached at mrothenburger@armchairmayor.ca.

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15 Comments on ROTHENBURGER – A fly in the ointment of the alternative approval process

  1. The use of Postal Codes has been required by Canada Post for more than 30 years. I don’t understand why people haven’t figured out that it is part of an address. There is an equivalent to the Postal Code in every country in the entire world. Come on folks! we’ve had years to get used to using one.

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  2. Come on people! It’s really not too much to expect people to read and follow simple instructions. If the instructions require postal code and city, just fill it in. As much as I disagree with the whole AAP process, the city is well within its rights to require that information and to reject forms that weren’t filled out completely. It’s not being petty, as someone has suggested, nor are there reasonable grounds to appeal to the provincial government. I will be just as annoyed as anyone else if the required 8713 isn’t reached and the number of rejected ballots would’ve brought the vote over the top. But it’s a tough lesson to be learned.

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  3. Unknown's avatar fascinating3748e8f3e7 // September 17, 2024 at 8:20 PM // Reply

    People didn’t fill out the forms completely because they didn’t realize the City was going to be so petty. Almost everyone I talked to were angry with the City for the way they rolled this out. Many said they were voting “NO” only because of that. Even if the AAP succeeds in a YES, the City is going to have a lot to answer to.

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  4. Unknown's avatar Bill Hadgkiss // September 17, 2024 at 2:41 PM // Reply

    Residential Address: ________________________________________

           (Full Residential Address including house#, street, and postal code)

    Our BC was not requested. Too many of us look but don’t see, me also.

    All ballots/votes/forms must be kept until after the official count is published as each one is referring to $135 million or $140 million dollars and there may be a recount required? 

    As I requested, the city gave me a copy of my ballot/vote/form stamped “COPY, RECEIVED Sep 10 2024, a signed name and LGS.

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  5. you know who else has a vocabulary of no no no, me me me and can’t fill out a form. Toddlers.

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  6. Technically the City can discard voter forms without a postal code. But the city doesn’t have to do so. The Community Charter, section 86(7)], says,

    “The elector response form must contain sufficient information to ensure that the person signing is an eligible elector entitled to participate in the AAP. The form must capture the: elector’s full name; elector’s residential address.”

    The CC does not specify that a residential address must include the postal code. In fact, in these days of community mailboxes, why does the postal code even matter? Residence can be confirmed without one.

    If the City received a bill but the postal code was missing, would the City be allowed to ignore the bill? Of course not.

    By the same token, if the City receives a vote with a missing postal code, it should respect that the signer (who can easily be verified without a postal code) took the extra trouble to vote and count the ballot.

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  7. Unknown's avatar fascinating3748e8f3e7 // September 17, 2024 at 1:43 PM // Reply

    There were people even missing the city name when they completed the form. Heck, they live in Kamloops, why do they have to include that? It is right on the form. I really do see this as the City trying to control the narrative. It takes 10 seconds or less to look up a postal code. Such a petty way to reduce the “NO” vote numbers.

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  8. The PAC will bring doctors to town.

    Oh really?

    Does anyone actually think a doctor researching which city to move to in the Interior will look at Kamloops and disregard that it has the highest crime severity rate in Canada, with crackheads burning down the bridges, all because it has a PAC?

    “Gather up the kids honey, we’re moving to Kamloops!”

    😂😂😂😂

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  9. Why would people not write down their postal code, when there was a spot specifically for it. Why is this a thing?

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  10. in all fairness though it was a pretty darn silly but an easy form to fill out and it did clearly have a line for the postal code…

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    • Unknown's avatar coleyec072ad9b80 // September 17, 2024 at 1:34 PM // Reply

      Pierre-in collecting forms, members of our Kamloops AAP Vote group needed to advise people fairly often; of the need to write their postal code on the form.
      I’m hoping this isn’t typical for others who sent in forms, but remain adamant in my opinion that elector eligibility could easily be confirmed from name and street address alone.

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  11. I believe all but one of the 8 Councillors are at the UBCM convention & the Mayor did not attend.

    When the Build Kamloops team arrives back in Kamloops, will there be a final tally waiting for them?

    Does the political future of the Chair hinge on the final number?

    Will there be any backlash from the numbers of people who had made available to them the ballots to vote in the AAP? Will it be a chair of comfort upon which the Chair sits for the Tuesday afternoon council meeting?

    Yes, a few questions that can only be answered with a tincture of time.

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  12. A lot of people were forgetting postal codes at the voting table as well.

    When postal codes are an important part of a document being handed in in any other circumstance, the employee receiving the documents reviews the documents and provides necessary reminders. This includes other City business such as business and dog license registration.

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