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LETTER – Residents need more time to understand Build Kamloops loans

When “No” means “Yes, but . . .”

I‘m one of the long-time Kamloopsians who thinks we need some new sports and entertainment facilities but also feels we’re moving too fast.

What’s the hurry? Why do we need a summer Alternative Approval Process (AAP) that was called so quickly there’s not even time to notify property owners via their City utility mailouts? Since an AAP is like negative billing where no response is considered a “Yes,” the City seems to be taking advantage of the fact that many people are away or distracted by holiday and back-to-school activities.

As the “Kamloops AAP Vote” group said, “$275 million is a lot of money, and we have to get things right the first time. Voting ‘No’ on the AAP now doesn’t mean we don’t want the facilities. It means we need more time to work out the best plans at the best price for all.”

They hope a successful “No” vote will slow down the process and give council time to explore more options and more widely consult with the community so that taxpayers can get more information, raise issues and ideas and have their opinions heard and discussed.

Council has already stated that if the AAP isn’t successful in garnering residents’ approval, a referendum will be held later in the fall.

The “AAP Vote” folks maintain that the estimated $200,000 cost of a referendum is minor in view of the $275 million loan taxpayers are being asked to shoulder, especially since the numbers aren’t clear.

The City insists that the average tax increase will be $25 per year but this is disingenuous. The average tax increase will be $25 added each year to a total of $125 by 2029 where it will remain, according to the City, “in perpetuity.”

Further, this tax increase only seems to cover construction costs. Residents have seen no estimates for needed equipment, maintenance, utilities, insurance, staffing and security, which will likely result in more tax increases. And that’s just Phase One.

But it’s not really about the money, though many, like the seniors who make up a third of the city’s voters, already struggle to pay their annual taxes. It’s about transparency.

“No” voters want to know why Kelowna can build a 1900-seat performing arts centre for $87.3 million compared to Build Kamloops’s plan for a $140 million, 1550-seat structure.

They’re concerned that the theatre complex has been designed to fit the 4th & Seymour lot instead of our city’s future needs and they want more locations considered. One suggestion was the old Penny Pinchers location at the junction of 8th and Tranquille. A PAC at this site, they said, would give the North Shore a much-needed facelift and provide “a shining gateway to the city.”

They feel the Arena Multiplex is a potential huge economic generator and should be built in a central location near existing businesses to support our existing amenities. They want to know if Multiplex plans will include selling the airspace for hotel or other uses, as was done to reduce costs for the North Kamloops Library building.

They wonder why Build Kamloops hasn’t set up a donor platform as is done for hospital additions.

They’ve compiled a list of questions they feel should be considered by Build Kamloops before committing to a loan that will take generations to pay off. It’s available, along with other information, on their facebook page, “Kamloops AAP Vote” or by emailing kamloopsaapvote2024@gmail.com, where residents can get help in filling out the forms and getting them to City Hall.

I hope they’re successful. A “No” vote will force Build Kamloops to give residents more time to consider the issues and have more input into plans for the recreational infrastructure we need for our growing city.

BRONWEN SCOTT

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18 Comments on LETTER – Residents need more time to understand Build Kamloops loans

  1. Welcome back Mel. I thought you had retired from Arm Chair Mayor writings. You always give us great well examined food for thought. Refreshing and much needed.

    The City Council is way off base with this last shenanigan.

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  2. Unknown's avatar John Noakes // August 20, 2024 at 6:00 AM // Reply

    I was a bit amused at the “spin” the young lass in another media outlet put on the Sandman Centre (formerly Interior Savings Centre and Riverside Coliseum).  An attempt was made to point out how citizens in Kamloops are historically like Neanderthals when it comes to the spending of money on big ticket items.

    Absent from her article is any mention of the pedestrian bridge at Third Avenue spanning the CP Rail tracks.  The reluctance of the Neanderthals was the issue of parking close to the 5,000 seat arena.  Many people rejected the idea saying there was inadequate parking.  If memory serves me right, the Blazers won 3 Memorial Cups but because of train/pedestrian conflicts, we almost lost two level crossings downtown.

    The $600,000 or $800,000 expenditure for the pedestrian bridge is an integral part of (Sandman Centre) the large arena.  No mention of the bridge or the extra expense borne by the taxpayer in a “we told you so” bigger story.

    Hence, the reluctance to have history repeat itself with a PAC downtown in a place where there is inadequate parking.

    Welcome back to the young lass who writes for a different media outlet and also to Amy who contributes to the comments on armchair mayor!

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  3. Unknown's avatar Bill Hadgkiss // August 18, 2024 at 4:10 PM // Reply

    Where are the Elector Response Forms so we may print them ourselves and save the city some money and ourselves some gas. The HOT AIR will continue.

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  4. Unknown's avatar Eleanor Clovechok // August 18, 2024 at 9:58 AM // Reply

    None of these proposed facilities will pay for themselves once built. Kamloops taxpayers will be on the hook for their operating costs. Taxes will always go up just to keep up with increasing wages for city employees & inflation, so we can we afford to be subsidizing all the new facilities proposed by council? Remember they also want to build an aquatic centre on the North Shore & a new curling/ field house complex.

    High taxes will be a deterrent for people thinking of moving to Kamloops not the lack of a PAC!

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  5. it seems. Like the discussion around a PAC has been going on forever. How much more time would you like, one year five years, 20 years I have a little doubt that I will never see the approval of this in my lifetime. and, pray tell, who are “they”?

    it is laughable to think this is not about money. IT IS ALL ABOUT MONEY!

    A no vote will not give people additional time, it will be a no vote, and Kamloops will continue on its backward thinking path.

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    • At least for some a no vote is a no against the way City Hall does things. The last referendum on the matter had a business plan and a striking building proposal/design all picked out and ready to go. Fast forward to 2024 and all of that is now gone and another round of a few millions allocated for just a new building study. The backwards thinking is fervent at City Hall in my opinion.

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  6. I can’t wait to hear the wailing in three more weeks, regardless of outcome, there will be plenty of bellyaching.

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  7. As I read Bronwen’s letter, I too was struck by the very simple question posed: what’s the hurry?

    I wondered if a person truly seeks a position on council to represent the electorate, why would they try to rush anything, or manipulate/influence the results? What would they stand to gain?

    What benefit exists for an elected official to avoid determining the most accurate representation of the electorate?

    I can only conclude that these people consider themselves much smarter than everyone else (Dunning-Kruger effect seems rampant around the shoehorn).

    If the people want a PAC, a referendum would demonstrate that. Instead, we’ve had statements that game the total costs, a council actively avoid public queries, and a process that is disrespectful to the community when enormous costs will be downloaded onto taxpayers.

    Again, what’s the rush? It’s not like council is busy with anything else but the work of embarassing this community by their constant shenanigans, disrespect for democracy, point or order marathons and constant petulant behaviour. I didn’t think council could embarrass themselves any more than they already have, but a “no” vote would certainly do that. That seems motivation enough for many reverse onus voters. Kamloops council has a vacuum cleaner they would like to sell you…

    #1 in crime. #2 in taxes. #1 in PAC costs. If this is what winning feels like, please, by God count me a loser.

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    • Consider yourself counted.

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      • Unknown's avatar Wilma Thot // August 18, 2024 at 1:50 PM //

        An individual incapable of debating the issue, either by way of lacking the capacity, or any cogent criticism, will attempt ad-hominem attacks.

        Instead of taking the bait like a tuna fish, bring something less predictable and pedestrian next time.

        Even council cheerleaders are welcome provided they have something of substance to say.

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  8. The figure thrown out from the “City” is in reality “ball park low”. Once they get the tacit (or complicit, depending on the POV) approval from the (misguided IMO) taxpayers they will come back for more and more and more. Granted a grandiose concert hall would be a nice addition to the public realm the “business case” rest mainly on the ability to coerce ongoing tax increases on an already stretched city’s budget. But what will on overstretched city budget mean looking into the future? A more chaotic city where quality of life will be less not more.

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  9. I dont mind the PAC decision … although slightly perturbed by the seemingly inflated cost just for that part of the deal … but I knew it was coming, had discussed it with friends, acquaintances, and media and chit/chat around town for years now, so it isnt a surprise.
    Begrudging its a yes.

    The ice sheet ‘multiplex’? Not so much. No idea it was coming, no idea what the plan is, and no clue about what people feel about it, and have not been in any conversations about it … ever. It feels like its being slammed down my throat, and I dont appreciate that.
    Definitive … no.

    Now its been suggested, I like the idea of saying no to it, and spending a couple years talking about it, and learning the plan.

    … and at the same time, if we all ok the PAC and say no to the multiplex … then that $25 compounded each year, cuts in half … and I’m ok with that too.

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    • With regards to the ice rinks you are 100% wrong. Yes the PAC has been taking up most of the oxygen the past decade, but more ice rinks have been spoken about and are in dire need as indicated by the extensive 2019 Recreation Plan the city brought forward.

      Hockey tournaments are the lifeblood of our winter tourism industry and we are falling far behind. We’ve lost the Ice Box and the Memorial Arena is now 76 yrs old, it’s on its last legs. We need two rinks to replace these and at minimum a third just to meet our present needs. A fourth rink built along with the others would be wise for our future needs, although the location is terrible and the lead proponent is terribly conflicted.

      The PAC is grossly over priced and will be in a deficit annually whilst attracting next to zero tourism in terms of overnight stays (Ashcroft, Barriere & Chase visitors aren’t staying the night). However, teams from a 1,000 kms away will all be staying multiple days for a hockey tournament.

      In short, we need the ice rinks to pay for the PAC, but the location is terribly wrong.

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      • I never said that ice was not needed,
        I also never said the basic need for more ice was not discussed in the 2019 recreation plan. That was not my point.

        THIS PROJECT AND PLAN … this one … this building, in this location, with a possible need for public moneys … came completely out of the blue. Not one word until this proposal to borrow.

        No City discussions around the horseshoe publicly announced, no basic project ideas circulating online, nor in media about a potential multi-ice complex at Kenna Cartwright. It doesn’t need to be hashed to death over a decade like the PAC … but something … anything.

        Crickets … then “oh we need to borrow $100million”.

        All of the above completely undeniable.

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    • I found your second paragraph of your initial response confusing, but you’ve clarified this with this new post in that you primarily object to this locations lack of discussion and cost estimates, which we are in absolute agreement. The 2019 Recreation Master Plan stated, “at minimum, one to two sheets of ice with one more in the following years” (page 5). I think most would agree that building multiple sheets at one location would be far wiser than 2 builds as in this plan: page 9:

      •2022–2023: Plan for one to two new ice sheet over current (total 7-8 sheets)
      •2027–2034: Plan for one new ice sheet three over current (total 9 sheets)

      Moreover, I question the wisdom of this report with the plans for Memorial Arena (p9), as it will be 86 yrs old in 2034.

      •2027–2034: Plan to convert Memorial Arena to dry floor surface

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