IN THE HOUSE – Transfer of killer to healing lodge ‘is absolutely absurd’

MP Cathy McLeod speaks in the House. (Image: CPAC, file photo)

Debate during Question Period on Friday, Sept. 28, 2018 on the transfer of conviced killer Terri-Lynne McClintic from a medium-security prison to an indigenous healing lodge in Saskatchewan. She was convicted in the 2009 murder of eight-year-old Victoria Stafford.

Cathy McLeod (Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo, CPC): 

Mr. Speaker, healing lodges are for criminals who are getting ready to transition back into society. It is job training, language, culture and household maintenance. Healing lodges are not appropriate for Tori Stafford’s murderer who is not eligible for parole until 2031. Her crimes are heinous and she belongs behind bars.

Why can the Liberals not see this? Why can they not act? They are hiding behind a lot of excuses and they just need to actually do something appropriate and take action.

Karen McCrimmon (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, Lib.):

Mr. Speaker, I will repeat again. Section 28 of the Corrections Act says that inmate placement decisions must be made by Correctional Services. That act was created in 1992 by a Conservative government and Parliament decided that the power did not belong to a minister. Section 28 was last updated by the Harper government. As much as he might like to, the Minister of Public Safety cannot simply overrule laws created.

Cathy McLeod (Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo, CPC):  

Mr. Speaker, despite all of the money they spent on deliverology, they clearly did not learn any lessons. We have something here that is absolutely absurd. We have someone who is a murderer who is in a facility where children play. It has been less than nine years since she committed her offence. Instead of hiding behind excuses, other ministers have taken action in other governments. It is time for the government to act.

Karen McCrimmon (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, Lib.):

Mr. Speaker, all Canadians share the grief and the pain of the family of little Tori Stafford. That being true, the minister has asked the Commissioner of the Correctional Service of Canada to review this case and ensure that all the policies and procedures that are in place were appropriately applied. He has also asked her to review to make sure that these policies and procedures remain appropriate.

Sylvie Boucher (Beauport—Côte-de-Beaupré—Île d’Orléans—Charlevoix, CPC):

(Translation) Mr. Speaker, the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights is a supra-constitutional statute, which includes the right to information for victims and their families. It is unacceptable that Tori Stafford’s parents were only informed after their child’s killer was transferred. They should have been informed much sooner. This fiasco has only added to the family’s pain and trauma.

Will the Prime Minister take responsibility and cancel this offender’s transfer, yes or no?

Karen McCrimmon (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, Lib.):

Mr. Speaker, it is important that we understand what the requirements are, what the policies are and what the legal actions available to all ministers and members of government are. Section 28 makes it quite clear that the authority to make a different placement decision rests with the Correctional Service of Canada. That power does not belong to a minister.


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5 Comments on IN THE HOUSE – Transfer of killer to healing lodge ‘is absolutely absurd’

  1. Ken Mcclelland // September 30, 2018 at 3:08 PM // Reply

    Gimme a break. Nelson Riis was our MP in 1992, not even a government member. Obviously the Liberal government is still searching for a spine donor. Do the right thing Mr. Goodale (Minister of Public Safety……yeah right) and Prime Minister Trudeau, put her back in a secure institution.

  2. here here Grouchy, I couldn’t agree more

  3. George S Duncan // September 30, 2018 at 12:15 PM // Reply

    It’s impossible when writing a law to foresee all the possible abuses and loopholes that a future government might come up with. In this case, the Liberals are abusing a law that had value. It doesn’t matter who created a law or when. What matters is how it is applied. In this case, I think it was very poorly applied, but rather normal for Trudeau’s Liberals.

    • This isn’t something the Liberals don’t have too much control over. The Conservatives gave that control to the Correctional Services dept. New legislation would have to be passed to change it.

  4. Here we go yet again. While I agree with what Cathy had to say in this case, once again she is crying about the consequences of legislation passed by her Conservatives when they were in government. Why didn’t she foresee what might happen, and speak out before this legislation was passed ? It is time for Cathy to retire, as all it seems that she can do is cry about legislation that her government passed into law, and now doesn’t have the effects they dreamed about.

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