ROTHENBURGER – The fruits and veggies theory of proportional representation
I first published this column on May 2, 2009 in The Kamloops Daily News with respect to the B.C. referendum on the Single Transferable Vote. I believe it still has relevance today as we wrestle with the federal government’s intentions to scrap first past the post in favour of proportional representation.
In 2005, I voted against BC-STV because I didn’t understand it.
In 2009, I will vote against BC-STV because I understand it.
During the past several months I’ve tried to keep an open mind on the matter, because it’s a major decision and I genuinely wanted to give it a fair chance.
So I’ve talked on numerous occasions both with supporters and non-supporters. I’m impressed with the passion and the good intentions of both sides.
People say the single transferable vote system for electing MLAs is hard to understand, that they’re being asked to take a leap of faith that it will work. Well, once you get into it a bit, it really isn’t all that difficult.
STV supporters admit they can’t explain it through their advertising campaign and they have to stick to key messages like kinder, more friendly government. On their websites, though, they use various comparisons to make it easier — like spending spare change, or putting votes in various containers, or (my favourite) buying fruits and vegetables.
It’s the fruits and veggies analogy that finally made the coin drop for me. By taking the somewhat mind-numbing explanations of the science and formulas behind STV, and translating them into a shopping trip to the super market, I now get it.
Suppose the province of B.C. is a big shopping centre. And the new STV riding of Cariboo-Thompson is the super market. The fresh produce section is the polling station.
Think of it this way. You go looking for the fresh produce section, but you discover that, instead of all the produce being together in once corner of store, it’s scattered all over the place and you have to go looking for it in several different isles.
This is called the STV method of shopping.
However, even though it’s harder to find what you’re looking for, the store management assures you it’s necessary in order to offer you a greater selection — you are allowed to pick out five fruits and/or veggies instead of just one.
You like the looks of the nice ripe tomatoes, so you take one of those.
It being in season, you add a slice of watermelon. Next, a potato, a strawberry and a banana.
However, the shopper next to you wants a somewhat different selection. He likes the tomatoes and he might settle on the watermelon, but he’d rather have an apple, a piece of broccoli and a carrot than a potato, strawberry and banana.
Therefore, you cut a slice off your tomato and trade him for a bite out of his apple. He still has his eye on that watermelon, so you break it in two and reluctantly offer it to him. This leaves you a bit short of what you actually wanted, but he generously snaps a piece off his carrot and hands it to you.
In return for this act of generosity, you peel your banana and chop off a couple of chunks for him. You aren’t crazy for broccoli so you agree to toss the broccoli altogether and split a lemon. This is what they call the single transferable fruit.
In order to calculate whether this exchange is completely fair, you truck over to the scale and weigh each piece. You must include the leftover strawberry and the potato in this tally.
But you aren’t done yet. Now, you add up the number of species of fruits and veggies and divide them by the number of portions — this is called the droop veggie quota.
By this time, of course, the banana is getting mushy and the tomato and watermelon are dripping onto the floor. But at least you both got some of what you wanted, so you put it all in the cart and ring it through at the checkout counter.
At home, you shove the various pieces of banana, apple, lemon, etc. into a blender and mix for 30 seconds. This is what we call the legislature.
What you are left with is a gooey mess that has no logical use, so you take the blender out into the back yard and dump it.
After the dogs, cats and pigeons eat it, what comes out the other end is called STV.
I hope this explanation has provided you with a clearer understanding of how STV can work for you. With this in mind, you can now make your decision when you go into the voting booth May 12.
As for me, Thursday night’s debate hosted by the chamber of commerce, and the columns from both sides we’ve been publishing for the past few weeks, have convinced me I’d rather stick with a nice, unambiguous hot pepper than blender goo.
Good luck with your shopping.
— Mel Rothenburger.
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It’s sad and frustrating when a man I’ve always respected writes a column that borders on fantasy. Seriously Mel why play on some people’s fears or laziness? All of us of all ages can learn new systems as we do daily in our computer dominated world. Keep in mind that most of the world’s democracies already use some form of Proportional Representation. A sound process of educating voters will dispel uncertainties. Remember the referenda of Gordon Campbell? BC attained 58% wanting change and it was only because the bar had been set at 60% that we don’t now have a new system. For example, New Zealanders have learned a new voting system and so can we!
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Really not understanding what’s so complicated about marking a ballot with a 1 instead of an X. Add a 2 and 3 if you’re feeling up to it. Go crazy and add a 4 if you like! We know you like the current system where over half of our votes elect no one because, well, because you LIKE it, but meanwhile, most of the world has chosen to go with the evidence and update to something more effective. Here’s a nice little primer: http://behindthenumbers.ca/2016/10/11/proportional-representation-likely-produce-better-public-policy/
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Entertaining, but still as clear as mud.
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The voting system we should have would involve run-off elections in each riding where multiple candidates have split the vote, leaving no candidate with a clear majority. If the run-off ballots were taken three days after the initial vote,the expense wouldn’t be too bad. The polling stations and officials are already in place. And this system is easy to understand.
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Recently I attended a forum on PR and found that I believe there is a greater possibility in the hybrid system.I’m not sure what they called it but it was a mix of STV and MMP.It was difficult to understand all the ramafications of this system but I believe there is potential.I will call it UR/PR.(urban rural/pro rep)It appeared to be an ingenious mix the two systems.To make this (and any PR system)more representative I see great advantage in instituting a mandatory vote.In itself M/V is more representative than FPTP but with a pro rep system I believe it may be a plausible way forward.Along with MV the voting age should be lowered to 16 and a mandatory course in civics must be instituted in grade school to prepare young folk to take part in the workings of their country.Just like paying taxes,obeying the laws of the country and land it is a national duty to vote and with a 99% turnout it becomes much more valid for Canadian citizens.
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Rural Urban Proportional. Details here: https://fairvotingbc.com/join-the-campaign-for-fair-voting/fair-ways-to-vote/rural-urban-proportional/
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Brilliant! You have a bright future as a satirist.
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At least your STV fruit and vegetable analogy is healthy compared to the “2” nut system in the USA.
Where’s the yogurt?
Lac
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Well, this article is pretty strange.
I guess he is talking about fractional transfers of fruit?
But you don’t get PIECES of different MPs you voted for with PR-STV. That would be like a horror show.
You walk home having helped elect at least one, but more likely two or three people you like. From a well organized grocery store (ballot).
It’s nice that he thinks that we should all eat nothing but hot peppers for 4 years because 39% of people wanted to buy only those, but the rest of us would prefer to some choice and balance.
Any PR system, to varying degrees, will deliver that. STV offers voters the most choice. All PR systems deliver a balanced Parliament.
If the author doesn’t know how more than one ingredient can work together to produce something tasty that most people will appreciate, well, perhaps someone should mail him “Grandma’s Old Fashioned Cookbook” right away.
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Really enjoying the return to a more light-hearted look at life!
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