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ROTHENBURGER — Court’s ban on Lord’s Prayer not a big deal

Lord's Prayer is said to have first been heard at the Sermon on the Mount.

Lord’s Prayer is said to have first been heard at the Sermon on the Mount.

COLUMN — I read this week about Saguenay, Quebec where the council has been told to stop reciting the Lord’s Prayer at its meetings. The Supreme Court has ruled it violates religious liberties.

Melcolhed2It isn’t a concern to me that the Saguenay council can’t read the Lord’s Prayer any more — I haven’t been a fan of the prayer since my school days when I was forced to say it or stand out in the hallway, even though it was against my beliefs.

Reciting the Lord’s Prayer is out of fashion in schools. It’s been banned in Ontario for 25 years, and in BC. (where “no religious dogma or creed shall be taught”) and Manitoba for about as long, ever since the Charter of Rights and Freedoms was adopted, but it still creates controversy every once in awhile. It’s a favourite subject of lawsuits by atheists. In the case of Saguenay, a man named Alain Simoneau was awarded more than $30,000 in damages.

“Sponsorship of one religious tradition by the state in breach of its duty of neutrality amounts to discrimination against all other such traditions,” the court’s decision said.

Saguenay Mayor Jean Tremblay, who fought hard to keep the prayer, expressed surprise and disappointment at the decision.

News coverage of the decision has suggested that city councils across the country are scrambling to figure out what to do about the practice of reading the Lord’s Prayer at meetings. Ottawa Mayor Jim Watson said prayers at council meetings will be stopped.

In Kamloops, I doubt there will be much scrambling — the Lord’s Prayer hasn’t been read at council meetings in decades.

Instead, random passages are chosen, sometimes from one religion, sometimes from another, sometimes from no religion at all. Something from Henry David Thoreau or Mother Theresa does the job as well. It usually takes about 20 seconds. Of course, the Kamloops Centre for Rational Thought — the local atheists club — might try to piggyback on the Supreme Court decision and make a point by claiming nothing at all should be read before council meetings.

While I’d agree with that sentiment (Thompson-Nicola Regional District meetings, for example, bypass the philosophical pleasantries and get right down to business) I doubt a court challenge against Kamloops council would get very far. The council readings there are totally without bias to one religion or another. I don’t know that the writings of atheist leader Richard Dawkins are ever read at council meetings, but that’s no great loss.

I don’t mind religions or Henry Thoreau being allowed a few seconds at the start of a meeting, as long as I’m not expected to take part. In school, I had the words to the Lord’s Prayer drilled into me so deep that I can still recite them to you word for word. “Our Father, who art in Heaven, hallowed be thy name….” etc. etc.

Every once in awhile somebody will complain about one of the phrases or sentences, just as they do with O Canada. “Lead us not into temptation” has been rewritten in some places on the theory that God is perfect and has no intention of leading us into temptation.

I was forced to say “…forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us” but other versions refer to debts and debtors and sinners.

Whatever the words, there are those rebels who fight the good fight for the Lord’s Prayer. At a Texas school, cheerleaders recited the Lord’s Prayer, and were joined by the crowd, even though the rule was to observe a moment of silence instead. It happened again in Tennessee. In South Carolina, a high school valedictorian ripped up his approved speech and recited the Lord’s Prayer, to thunderous applause.

Those who defend reciting the prayer insist the prayer is inclusive, which is, of course, nonsense — it’s about Christianity. In public settings, it’s an intrusion into the religious freedom we’re supposed to enjoy, and should really be kept in the context of other, equally worthy religions. That’s why I think the Kamloops approach, or, alternatively, the TNRD approach, is a good one.

The fact that the poor old Lord’s Prayer is still cause for occasional disagreement and is still helping fatten the wallets of lawyers is a sign that the debate over religion remains at an immature stage. But whereas it used to be big news if someone suggested the Lord’s Prayer should be banned, nowadays it’s bigger news when somebody tries to keep it.

Mel rothenburger can be contacted at armchairmayor@gmail.com. He tweets @MelRothenburger and is on Facebook.com/mrothenburger.7.

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5 Comments on ROTHENBURGER — Court’s ban on Lord’s Prayer not a big deal

  1. Unknown's avatar Robert George // April 19, 2015 at 11:57 PM // Reply

    One,s religion,like sex I suppose,should be kept a private affair I was a child of the 30,s and 40,s ,I was sent to Sunday school at whatever Christian church was handy in the neighbourhood,barring Catholism.Religion was never discussed at home.I went to a fundamentalist bible camp for a week when quite young and was SAVED by a guy that scared the bejesus out of me.A nut case I attended Sunday school until I was 12 or 13.Everyone enjoyed Christmas and hearing some of the great old Carols are quite nastolgic for me. The concerts at the local community hall and at school were wonderful affairs.Barring all that I did not absorb the religious part of at all then and do not believe in any aspect of it now.The ten commandments are great but most of us don,t really need them to guide us as to what is right or wrong.
    SO,keep religion out of it and quit telling us we are on aboriginal land when we go to the Bell Tower forums.

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  2. Unknown's avatar Cam Villeneuve // April 19, 2015 at 11:03 PM // Reply

    Mel, as one of the “local atheists” I would prefer that nothing be read, especially not something from mother Theresa. Just like the priests from my childhood days, she believed that life is suffering, and that the more you suffer, the more God likes it and the better your chances to get into Heaven and sit closer to him. I for one don’t need any advice from someone with such a medieval mind.
    If I was allowed to address council I would remind them that the strength is within themselves, not provided by some imaginary friend in the sky. In a spirit of co-operation and compromise, they can take decisions that will positively affect the people of Kamloops. Incantations and mumbo-jumbo not needed.

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    • Unknown's avatar Pierre Filisetti // April 21, 2015 at 6:31 AM // Reply

      “I would remind them that the strength is within themselves, not provided by some imaginary friend in the sky.”
      “The imaginary friend in the sky” whoever he/she/it may be, helps in finding that inner strength. It is called mental conditioning and it is, for example, used by athletes all the times to find the “edge”. Nothing wrong with praying. Off course freedom of choice need to rein supreme.

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      • Unknown's avatar Cam Villeneuve // April 21, 2015 at 9:52 AM //

        It still remains that when you pray you are only talking to yourself. There is nobody “up there” listening.

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  3. Unknown's avatar LAWRENCE BEATON // April 18, 2015 at 7:08 AM // Reply

    I am happy to note that we are all welcome to our opinions. Mr. Rothenburger, you have had your experiences with prayer, and others come from entirely different directions.

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