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Hell hath no fury, Part Two

The emails and comments just keep coming. I’ve expanded a bit on my last blog for the purposes of Saturday’s column, so here we go:

My, but atheists are a sensitive lot.

I hope they don’t take offence at that — in referring to them as sensitive, I certainly don’t mean to call them names.

But, let’s face it, they don’t take criticism well. Again, that’s not name-calling, it’s a statement based on empirical evidence.

I have that evidence here in front of me. I write a column about how atheists (one in particular, a Prof. “PZ” Myers) should consider using a bit of honey rather than vinegar in defending their views, and the comeback from atheists is to call me names.

Surely there’s irony in being called names for saying people shouldn’t call each other names.

Frankly, I’m flattered the atheists care so much about what I write.

“For a journalist,” says one, “you are amazingly naïve. Didn’t you have to pass any kind of test go get your job?” (Fortunately not; they got me from the lost and found.)

I am, according to another, “an uneducated moron.” (I’m tempted to deny that I’m uneducated.)

“Sucking up to science deniers is equal to sucking up to terrorists,” this anonymous writer continued.

Well, it’s interesting to me that proposing civility in public discourse amounts to being in bed with terrorists.

And, by the way, I am “an idiot.”

Another says this newspaper needs a “dumbest opinion piece of the year” award, and that I’d be a cinch to win it. (Well, I take kudos where I can get them.)

Yet another offers this thoughtful assessment: “Mel Rottenburger (notice the clever alteration to my name — I think the last time I heard that one was in grade school) strikes again, in stunning brainless fashion.”

Denis Robert, who at least uses a real name, suggests I be fired.

Here’s another favourite, from Lars Simonsen (thank you to you, too, Lars, for the courage to put your name behind what you say): “I just love how the irony of calling name callers stupid, seems to evade Rothenburger.”

Actually, it didn’t evade me at all. The real irony, Lars, is that you missed the fact the irony was totally intended. I’m confident that even Prof. Meyers got that one.

Thank you to my defenders, though they may be few. Bradley Kerr says I am “reporting the facts . . . that this guy is a tool.”

Another faithful reader says bullying tactics or abusive language are abhorrent “and shows those who are using these tactics to be, well, in their own language stupid.”

Several took me to task for expressing an opinion about Prof. Meyers’ confrontational tactics since I didn’t attend his lecture. Of course, it wasn’t about his lecture, it was about his insistence on belittling those he disagrees with, something he does pretty much on a daily basis on his blog.

Neither was the column a criticism of atheists for their non-beliefs. I didn’t say it’s stupid not to believe in God, I said (er, some people might say) calling people who do believe in God stupid is, well, kind of stupid.

So why do atheists take such exception not only to people who disagree with their view of the world and the universe, but to anyone who suggests they should chill out?

Are they fundamentally insecure? Are they afraid no one will listen to them unless they yell?

I’m not really sure. Because, after all, I’m an agnostic.

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1 Comment on Hell hath no fury, Part Two

  1. Sir, I did not call you a name, I questioned your objection to name calling, which you readily engage in yourself, but I do find it suspect why you chose not to consider why may atheists resort to name calling.

    The truth of the matter is religious beliefs garner far too much respect, far more than they deserve. They allow for people to malign women, children, other religions, and at times other races. Religion sets up a dichotomy of us versus them, with its base of “reason” being found in ancient texts.

    If you read PZ Myers’s blog you would discover that he is also a feminist. This is something highly unusual to see coming from #1 someone who is male and #2 anyone at all in this era dedicated to ignoring feminism.

    Does he ridicule men who are anti-feminist – you better believe he does. And really don’t they deserve to be ridiculed? Would you not ridicule someone who holds racist beliefs, or should we simply say, “You are entitled to that belief despite there being not a single ounce of evidence to support it.”

    My point being, there is no evidence to support racism or misogyny, just as there is no evidence to support religion. Most atheists agree that religion will always be present because it panders to human psychology, but to most atheists it does not deserve to fly its flag quite so high and definitely not on public flag poles.

    So we make fun if it and its leaders who claim the moral high ground.

    I’d also like to point out that the very points you raise are part of a debate that is taking place from within the atheist movement as well. Phil Plait, another well-known science blogger, gave a speech, referred to as the “Don’t be a Dick” speech by many. During which he disagreed with the tactics of atheists such as PZ Myers.

    You are ready to call atheists “fundamentally insecure” and “sensitive,” as though by nature to be an atheist is to be these things. This is the same language used to denigrate women, who throughout history have been considered at the same time fundamentally wild and chaste. Would you say the same about others standing up for their rights? Would you say that the people who steal atheist bus ads are otherwise?

    There are far worse things than being sensitive and insecure but I can think of few worse things then trying to fetter free speech and when it comes down to it you are welcome to say what you want and we are welcome to disagree with it, but stop for a moment and consider this:

    Is killing abortion doctors freedom of religion?
    Is watching women and children die of aids or botched abortions a right?

    Perhaps you may dismiss this as another “statement from a whining atheist” but atheists are not harming anything other than feelings.

    To end this post with a comment about your agnosticism is similar to a technique used by Glenn Beck on his fox news show, which I refer to as end denial, in which he offers up opinions and ends the comment by saying something akin to, “but I’m not saying this is what I think.”

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